Talent Acquisition on a Lazy Sunday
The Indians can’t draft well. They’re in this mess right now
because they miss on too many of their draft picks. I know it’s true, everyone
says so. Fire Antonetti and Shapiro! They haven’t drafted a good player since
Ray Fosse! Right? The Indians clearly went through a dry spell in their amateur
talent acquisition from 1999 through 2008. The club drafted lefthanded pitcher
Carsten Charles Sabathia in 1998, then basically sat back and said “C.C., you’ve
got this.” From 1999-2007, the best player the Indians drafted was Jeremy
Guthrie, their first round pick in the 2002 draft. And he went on to have most
(all) of his success in cities other than Cleveland. OK, in the interest of
full disclosure, the best player they drafted
was Tim Lincecum, with their 42nd round pick in 2005. But Lincecum
wanted too much to sign and went to college instead, and grew up to be The
Freak that Giants fans know and love today. Sure, there were some other decent
picks; Vinnie Pestano in the 25th round of the 2006 draft for one.
But the Rule 4 Amateur Draft was not kind to Director of Scouting John
Mirabelli, who assumed the role in 1999 and relinquished it in November of
2008.
Enter Brad Grant. Grant was promoted to the Director of
Amateur Scouting role in 2008 when Mirabelli was inexplicably promoted to his
current title of Vice President, Scouting Operations. I can’t be the only onewho finds it funny that the press release touting Mirabelli’s promotion plugs
his international signings of Masa Kobayashi (retired), Jason Smit (retired) and
Sung-Wei Tseng (guess what? retired). Grant became responsible for
the club’s amateur draft and international signings while Mirabelli was
mercifully promoted to a more administrative role. The good news for Grant is
that he had (has) an extremely low bar to vault over when it comes to talent
acquisition. If he can draft more than Jeremy Guthrie, he’s a better drafter
than Mirabelli. If he can sign international free agents who’s cumulative
contributions equal more than Faus…Roberto Hernandez’s one glorious summer,
he’s acquired more talent in the international realm than Mirabelli. But simply
being better than Mirabelli isn’t going to be enough to propel the Indians to
contention. With a budget that’s not going to allow for significant free agent
signings to cover for continued misses in the draft, Grant has to be in the top
echelon of his peers when it comes to signing that precious talent that is
under club control at a reasonable cost for a significant period of time. Some fans
see the lack of top-100 prospects in the Indians organization (only Lindor made
the list this offseason) and assume that Grant is as bad as, if not worse than,
Mirabelli. After taking a little more in-depth look at Grant’s record, I
couldn’t disagree more.
In 2008, the Indians had the
29th overall pick, the highest they’d drafted since the “Era of
Champions” Indians back in the late-90’s. Grant’s first ever draft pick was a
shortstop out of Pitt Community college named Lonnie Chisenhall. The Chiz pick
was roundly criticized at the time, as most saw a position switch to 3B and a
bat that wouldn’t play at a corner. Some thought that Wichita State 3B Conner
Gillespie would have been a much better selection. Chisenhall flew through the
Indians system, appearing as a top-50 overall prospect in both 2010 and 2011
before passing the Rookie of the Year thresholds, and at age 23 he’s
accumulated 284 MLB AB and is seen as the Indians 3B of the future. I think we
can safely give that pick a passing grade.
With their 2nd pick
(#79 overall), Grant and the Indians took Nacogdoches, TX RHP Trey Haley. Haley
is currently 22 years old and in AA, his development slowed by some arm and
groin injuries the past two years. But on the mound, Haley has a legit
triple-digit fastball and a knee-bending curveball. He’s seen as a likely
reliever down the road, but he has the arm to close. Other highlights from the
2008 draft include infielder Cord Phelps (3rd round), relief pitcher
Zach Putnam (5th round), outfielder Tim Fedroff (7th
round), pitcher Eric Berger (8th round), starter T.J. House (16th
round) and catcher Roberto Perez (33rd round). Phelps and Putnam
have already appeared in the major leagues. The other four should get there at
some point. None appear in the top-100 prospects, and none project to be future
all-stars, but that hardly makes them useless.
Contrast the Indians’ 2008
draft with that of everyone’s small-market darlings, the Tampa Bay Rays. Tampa
had the #1 overall pick and selected SS Tim Beckham. Beckham is 22, in AAA, and
has fallen completely off the top-100 lists as well. His 2011 OPS of .736 is
his career high. I wouldn’t trade Lonnie Chisenhall for Tim Beckham. No players
from the Rays 2008 draft have appeared in the major leagues. No players from
the Rays 2008 draft appear in the most recent top-100 prospect lists. I do not
point this out to pick on the Rays, but to give context to what a “good” draft
is. The Red Sox didn’t do much better; their 1st round pick, pitcher
Casey Kelly, was rated as the #27 overall prospect in 2012, but none of their
other choices appear in the top 100. Their 7th round pick, 3B Ryan
Lavarnway, is 24 and has a .594 OPS in 63 MLB at bats. None of the players they
selected have done anything in the major leagues. The Tigers hit on 5th
round pick Alex Avila, but little else. All this is a long way of saying that
no matter how you stack up the Indians 2008 draft, Brad Grant did a pretty good
job in his first year at the helm.
If we flip the calendar to
2009, we see a similar story. Picking #15 overall, the Indians took RHP Alex
White. Some saw White as a future bullpen arm with only two pitches, but the
Indians kept him in the starting rotation and saw him rank in the top-75 in
prospect rankings in both 2010 and 2011 before making his MLB debut in the 2011
season. White pitched well, got hurt, and was included in the trade package for
Ubaldo Jiminez (not Grant’s doing). The real home run in the draft though was
in the 2nd round, when Grant took Arizona State outfielder Jason
Kipnis with the 63rd overall pick. When the Indians made it known
that their intentions were to transition Kipnis to 2B, the derisive cries of
“Trevor Crowe redux” were heard long and loud across the North Shore. Kipnis
was a preseason top-100 prospect in 2011 before his successful MLB debut in the
2nd half of the season, and the 25-year old narrowly missed being
named to the all-star team in his first full season in the show here in 2012.
Other than wunderkid Mike Trout of the Angels, Jason Kipnis is far and away the
best major league player from the 2009 MLB draft. Grant didn’t do as well in
the later rounds of the draft as he did in 2008, especially with 4th
round pick Austin Adams going down with a shoulder injury this offseason, but
pitchers Preston Guilmet (9th round), Tyler Sturdevant (27th
round) and Matt Packer (32nd round) all have MLB potential. If we
again look at the Yankees, Rays and Red Sox, we see no MLB talent and no
top-100 prospects from their 2009 drafts. The Tigers did snag pitcher Jacob
Turner, but would you trade Kipnis for Turner right now? I wouldn’t. So despite
a lack of overall depth in 2009, I think that Grant is now 2-2 when it comes to
Rule 4 Drafts.
Just one player that the
Indians drafted and signed in 2010 has played in the majors; 5th
overall pick Drew Pomeranz. Pomeranz of course was the co-headliner of the deal
that brought Ubaldo Jimenez to Cleveland after ranking in the top 75 prospects
in baseball prior to the 2011 season. He was a consensus top-50 guy prior to
2012, and is now over the ROY thresholds with mixed results in Colorado. Five
players from the first round of the 2010 draft have appeared in the majors, and
only 1st overall pick Bryce Harper and Chris Sale have produced more
in the show thus far. Second round pick LeVon Washington has shown glimpses of
talent, but has been injured too much to really have an accurate judgment of
type of player he’s going to be. Third round pick Tony Wolters, skipped over
low-A completely, started 2012 slowly but has come on to have a solid season
for high-A Carolina. He’s splitting time between 2B and SS, but his glove
profiles better at 2B with shortstops Ronny Rodriguez and Francisco Lindor also
in the system. Catcher Alex Lavisky (8th round) has a power bat and
the defensive chops to stick behind the plate, and 10th round OF
Tyler Holt looks a lot like Trevor Crowe (which is ok since he was drafted in
the 10th round instead of the 1st). There aren’t many
other guys who look like potential major leaguers in the rest of the draft, but
that makes the third time in three years that Grant has hit on at least the
Indians first round pick, something that hasn’t happened for a long time in
Cleveland in any sport.
Leading up to the 2011 draft,
many of the “experts” had the Indians selecting another college arm for the 3rd
year in a row. In one of the most talented drafts in years, there were eight
elite level talents, and the Indians had the 8th overall pick. The
college arms that were projected to be on the board at #8 were not among those
elite talents, and I was on pins and needles hoping that Grant would take the
best player available rather than the top available college arm. Fortunately,
he came through and took high school shortstop Francisco Lindor (as I’d
fervently hoped all along). Lindor is now the undisputed top prospect in the
Indians organization, and a consensus top-10 prospect in all of baseball. He’s
ranked higher than all but two of the 2011 draft picks, and projects as an
above average everyday SS on the low end, and a perennial all-star and gold
glover on the high end. In addition to Lindor, 23rd round pick Cody
Allen was the 2nd player in the entire 2011 draft class to make it
to the majors when he was promoted last month, and looks like a potential
back-end arm in the bullpen. It’s still awfully early to judge the rest of the
draft, but 2nd round pitcher Dillon Howard was seen as a first round
talent prior to the draft, 7th round catcher Eric Haase looks really
interesting, and there are a number of arms later in the draft that could end
up in a major league bullpen down the road. So if you’re scoring at home, that
makes it 4-4 for Grant in the first round of the MLB draft.
It’s far too early to judge
the 2012 draft that took place just about two months ago, but if we’ve learned anything
in this article so far it’s that Grant has earned our trust by drafting better
than…well, probably better than any Cleveland executive in my lifetime at least
(born in 1981). So let’s move on to the other method Grant has used to infuse
talent into the organization; international free agency. Grant has hit on a
number of players since coming onto the job, players who are starting to take
over the Indians top prospect lists. Ten of the Indians projected top-50
prospects in this coming offseason’s countdown are IFA’s that have signed under
Grant’s watch. In 2008, reliever C.C. Lee, catcher Alex Monsalve and 3B Gio
Urshela came into the fold. Lee was on the cusp of reaching the Indians bullpen
when he went down with Tommy John surgery this spring. The 20-year old Urshela
is a slick-fielding 3B who wasn’t doing much with the bat coming into this
year, but is putting up career highs in OPS, HR and AVG in the pitcher-friendly
Carolina League. Monsalve was a Midwest League All-Star last season, and is up
with the Mudcats now and has already matched his career high in HR.
Grant followed that up with a
pair of toolsy infielders in 2009, SS/3B Jorge Martinez and 2B Jose Ramirez.
Martinez is 19 years old, and has one of the better bats in the Arizona Summer
League right now, hitting .340/.376/.543 with 6 HR and 31 RBI in 28 games. He’s
a work in progress in the field, but should be able to develop into at least an
average 3B. Ramirez is a second baseman, and led the Indians organization last
year with a .325 batting average in the Arizona Summer League, and is hitting
an impressive .343/.399/.428 for Lake County in his first experience in
full-season ball. Ramirez is also just 19, and while he doesn’t have much power
(2 HR in 406 pro AB), he makes a ton of contact, has good speed and legit top
of the order on base skills.
Never one to rest on his
laurels, Grant signed two more potential impact players in the international
market the very next year. In 2010, the Indians inked 2B turned CF Luigi
Rodrigez and SS Ronny Rodriguez (no relation). Luigi is one of the fastest,
most athletic players in the system. He’s hitting .264/.330/.394 with 9 HR and
20 SB in 105 games with the Captains this year, and is fast becoming a legit
CF. He’s got the speed and the arm to play CF, he just needs more experience
reading flyballs and patrolling the OF to improve his instincts. He’s got
plenty of time to improve though, as he’s still just 19 years old. Ronny
Rodriguez made his stateside debut last year with the Captains, hitting
.246/.274/.449 and 11 HR in 98 games. He moved up to high-A Carolina this
season, and has improved on that batting line, going .267/.304/.451 with 16 HR and
61 RBI. It’s not a line that sets the world on fire, but when you consider that
he’s a 20-year old in his first full season stateside, playing above-average
defense at SS and that those 16 HR are tied for 5th in the Carolina
League…well, that starts to look a lot better now, doesn’t it? Rodriguez has
the potential to be a top-100 guy this coming offseason, and is looking more
and more like the #2 guy in the Indians organization every day.
So the trend for Grant seems
to be that he adds two solid international free agents per season, and 2011 was
no different. Grant signed OF Anthony Santander and SS Dorssys Paulino out of
the Venezuela and the Dominican Republic, respectively. Santander is a 6’1”,
190lb OF who’s hitting .302/.361/.488 with 4 HR, 30 RBI and 6 SB in 35 games in
the Arizona Summer League. He projects to LF defensively, and is just 17 years
old. As impressive as that line is, what SS Dorssys Paulino is even more
eye-opening. Paulino is also just 17-years old and making his stateside debut,
and is hitting .358/.406/.606 with 5 HR, 14 doubles, 6 triples, 29 RBI and 8
stolen bases in 39 AZL games. To put those numbers in the proper context, let me refer you to a Baseball America article that compares Paulino’s debut tothat of some elite infielders around baseball:
Dominican teenagers who come to the U.S. for their
pro debut aren't supposed to make it look this easy. Robinson Cano hit
.230/.330/.365 in 57 games in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League when he was
18. When Placido
Polanco was 18, he hit .213/.259/.268 in 32 games in the AZL, while
a 19-year-old Rafael Furcal (.258/.335/.342 in 50 GCL games) didn't fare much
better.
Hanley Ramirez exploded on to the scene for the Red Sox 10 years ago as an 18-year-old in the GCL, where he hit .341/.402/.555 in 45 games, while Starlin Castro hit .311/.364/.464 in 51 AZL games at 18. Yet in addition to being a year older than Paulino at the time, both Ramirez and Castro had spent a season in the Dominican Summer League before making the jump to a U.S. complex league. The Indians have thrown Paulino into the fire, and he's responded by making the Arizona League look like Little League.
Hanley Ramirez exploded on to the scene for the Red Sox 10 years ago as an 18-year-old in the GCL, where he hit .341/.402/.555 in 45 games, while Starlin Castro hit .311/.364/.464 in 51 AZL games at 18. Yet in addition to being a year older than Paulino at the time, both Ramirez and Castro had spent a season in the Dominican Summer League before making the jump to a U.S. complex league. The Indians have thrown Paulino into the fire, and he's responded by making the Arizona League look like Little League.
The Indians are not going to
make the playoffs in 2012. Consider this my bold prediction on that front. The
Indians do not have impact talent in AAA or AA that will step up next year to
augment the big league club to fuel a run to the playoffs next year. When you
look back at how this roster was built, you see a few good trades (Santana,
Asdrubal, Masterson) working desperately to overcome a decade of terrible
drafting. That’s not a good business model, on a number of levels. That’s also
not Brad Grant’s fault. Since taking over in 2008, Grant has gone 4-4 with his
first round picks in the Rule 4 Draft which is four more than the previous
administration can claim. Between the draft picks and international signings,
the lower levels of the Indians minor league system are well-stocked and loaded
with potential impact talent. That talent of course is a long ways from the
corner of Carnegie and Ontario, and a lot can happen between Lake County and
Cleveland. But when you’re calling for heads to roll in the Indians front
office, make sure that Brad Grant is spared your wrath. He’s making a lot more
good decisions then bad, and whenever the next “window of contention” cracks
open, it’s going to be either because players that Grant acquired are playing
at a high level in the show, or because they were used to trade for older guys
to help pry open that window before the core of Kipnis, Droobs, Santana, Chiz,
Brantley and Masterson hit free agency.
20 comments:
Paulie, you are missed in your weeks of absence...a whole bunch...
"The Indians are not going to make the playoffs in 2012. Consider this my bold prediction on that front."
WOW, THAT'S SOME BOLD PREDICTION!
I know that will get changed after someone reads this, but c'mon. Cousineau poors his heart into this site. Can't YOU edit your own flippin' column, the few times you do it? Chripes
Um, I guess some people don't understand sarcastic humor when they read it.
Al, thanks for the encouraging read. It is too easy and too depressing to focus on all that is wrong with this club. Few people (if any) take the time to see the glass as "half full."
Well, at least you gave him an out.
Looking forward to your return Paul
Nice article Al. I have always felt that the team that can consistently hit on the first round pick (that is NOT the first overall, I'm looking at you Washington Nationals) has done a lot to strengthen their farm system. This is what keeps small market teams in the World Series frame.
Nice work, Al, and I agree with your take completely. One of the things that has struck me with the Indians drafting strategy is the movement towards acquiring younger players. I feel you can see this trend developing even before Grant took over with the selection of Beau Mills, but it has continued since. The changes in the CBA seem to have intensified this change, as 25 of Cleveland's 40 picks this year were high-schoolers or JuCo athletes.
Sorry, but to add an additional point. I think part of the gap the Indians currently have in talent between the major league team and the lower part of the system (Carolina and below) reflects the movement towards younger players. Between 2009 and 2011 we made a big shift towards acquiring younger players, guys with longer developmental trajectories. Instead of having guys start their pro careers in Lake County, we acquired a bunch of guys starting a year or two behind that in Goodyear and Mahoning Valley. As such, we created a bit of a structural gap in what is now the upper part of the system.
Brian, I do agree that Paul is greatly missed on the days he doesn't write. Sorry I didn't use the sarcasm font for that sentence, but that wasn't an editing mistake on my part.
Agreed Adam. This year's draft will be an outstanding litmus test a few years from now on just how smart this front office really is. They had several months to look at the new CBA and come up with a draft strategy, so we'll see if they were able to get ahead of other teams around baseball when everyone was basically starting over with the new rules.
Thanks for the article, AI. In a moment of depression over the Indians' bleak future, I told someone I thought the Browns would win the Super Bowl before the Indians made the playoffs. Thanks for encouraging me with some lower A ball talent to look forward to. Part of me thinks though that they will be used to fill the wholes in our current window, but we'll see.
Thanks Tim, glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully both of those things happen sometime in the near future! The good news for the Indians is that the toughest positions on the field to fill (SS, C, 2B, CF) have young, talented players entrenched already so in theory it should be easier (and cheaper) to find players in LF, 1B, and DH. Of course, they've been unable to fill that LF/1B slot for a while now, so we'll see how that goes.
You inspired me to finish a bit of research on the draft that I started back in March. Here's my piece:
http://www.letsgotribe.com/2012/8/20/3253495/the-drafts-2005-2010-how-bad-was-it
"Talent acquisition" is a far broader subject than drafting. All kudos to Grant- he's done a fine job.
Winter talent acquisition and poor salary investments generally should be reviewed this winter. Heads need to roll.
To follow up on Adam's comment about the tribe's "movement towards [acquiring] younger players," could that just signal a shift in their perception of their "contention window." The current contention window seems set to close after 2013. As a result, drafting college players close to MLB doesn't make sense to the Tribe right now.
Right now the Tribe seems to be stockpiling 17-20 year old prospects, not just in international FA but also in rounds 1-10 of the past two drafts. When that collection of players begins to sort itself out and the most promising players begin to get closer to MLB, I suspect the tribe will go back to drafting more college players again. That way the team will have a large collection of players under club control all ready to be called up at roughly the same time, which is basically what you need to contend as a small market team.
And let's face it, the Tribe is probably going to suck after next season, putting them in solid position to draft some nearly-ready-for-MLB college players (like Pomz and Kipnis) in 2015 and 2016.
I don't think amateur talent has any connection to the current window. Most amateur talent takes 6+ years to reach the majors, so anyone acquired now, outside of the exceptional international free agent, is quite a few years removed from Cleveland.
I think the movement towards younger guys is about a shift towards higher-ceiling players.
Agree with Adam. It's not a shift in "window timeframe" as much as it is a shift from high floor, low ceiling guys to more boom or bust type guys. LeVon Washington is a perfect example; the talent and tools trump the actual production in college, but the Indians rolled the dice anyway. Same with Dillon Howard; big arm, but HS righties can have lots of bad things happen to them between HS and the show.
And yes MTF, Amateur Talent Aquisition would have been a better title. If you could just combine Grant's drafting with some of the more shrewd Shapiro trades (Colon, Benuardo etc), then we'd really have something.
Al, just curious if you think there was any noticeable shift financially with Grant taking over the draft, mostly as it relates to signing bonuses (in the old CBA, of course). Another way to put it, were they taking players because they were cheaper to sign, as opposed to having a higher potential.
And, by the way, I don't know enough about the inside processes in the front office to say that Shapiro is responsible, or Antonnetti or the scouting or whatever. But something needs to improve: we put way too much salary into lousy players these last couple of winters, and that is an important reason why we failed to produce this year.
I noticed Carlos Villanueva is a free agent this winter. Any Tribe interest does anyone think?
It’s far too early to judge the 2012 draft that took place just about two months ago...
Too early to judge, yes. But not too early to worry that Tyler Naquin is not really impressing at all. A college first round pick ought to be dominating in the NYP League, but he's putting up Michael Brantley numbers--and when Brantley was the age Naquin is now (which is when the Indians traded for him), he was hitting .300 in AA.
I'll give him an allowance for the adjustment to pro ball, but this is looking familiar.
I don't think so Matt. HS players are usually more expensive because they have the option to go to college. College seniors, even the really good ones, have no real recourse other than to sign with whoever drafts them, so they typically command less $$ than the kids. Draft budget didn't really seem to be an issue the past few years.
Al, have you seen much of Adam Abraham? I realize he's not much of a prospect but he absolutely kills lefties, and so I thought I'd ask your impressions of him. I noticed that half of his hits this season against LH pitching (small sample size, sadly enough) have been for extra bases.
Yeah, I've seen him a lot actually. More of an org guy. Solid but not spectacular hitter, won't quite do enough to play at a corner position. You see guys like Jared Goedert, Russ Canzler etc tear up the minors as a 1B or 3B, and they never get a shot. I think that Abraham is a solid player who works hard and maximizes his talents, but he's a cut below even those guys, and they've never made it. Like him a lot as a person, don't love him as a prospect.
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